Comments on: UU ITE: The Crime v. The Law v. The Rights (v. The Crime) http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/ Anthology of commentary articles. Documenting the blogosphere, design, urban cults, people, philosophy, psychology and pop culture viewed from the far southeast. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:48:01 +0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: deka http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-14196 deka Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:36:32 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-14196 gile, skr kerjaan gw berhubungan bgt ama UU ITE nih, phew. <abbr><em>And deka also says <a href="http://sobertooth.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/i-say-hi/">I say “Hi”</a>.</em></abbr> gile, skr kerjaan gw berhubungan bgt ama UU ITE nih, phew.

And deka also says I say “Hi”.

]]> By: ronny http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-14118 ronny Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:10:23 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-14118 ulasan ttg seputar uu ite dan cybercrime dapat disimak pada : www.ronny-hukum.blogspot.com ulasan ttg seputar uu ite dan cybercrime dapat disimak pada : http://www.ronny-hukum.blogspot.com

]]> By: UU ITE and My Stance - Hendy’s Lifesaving Tips http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6266 UU ITE and My Stance - Hendy’s Lifesaving Tips Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:00:13 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6266 [...] stance is not important, UU ITE is. It’s made by the/our government, whoever they or he/she exactly [...] [...] stance is not important, UU ITE is. It’s made by the/our government, whoever they or he/she exactly [...]

]]> By: internet gratis http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6246 internet gratis Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:16:07 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6246 constutution is a constitution. made to be break. haha <em>internet gratis's last blog post..<a href='http://internetgratis.dagdigdug.com/2008/04/18/three-3-internet-gratis/'>three [3] internet gratis</a></em> constutution is a constitution. made to be break. haha

internet gratis’s last blog post..three [3] internet gratis

]]> By: Pelopor » UU ITE - my too indolent solidarity to Indonesian bloggers http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6100 Pelopor » UU ITE - my too indolent solidarity to Indonesian bloggers Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:25:28 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6100 [...] by the Lightbeamers” (http://journal. marisaduma.net) published about this phenomenon here ( a really great essay on the subject), here and here and also this most effective entry, [...] [...] by the Lightbeamers” (http://journal. marisaduma.net) published about this phenomenon here ( a really great essay on the subject), here and here and also this most effective entry, [...]

]]> By: Jen http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6099 Jen Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:25:19 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6099 I think it's no longer a bill. It's a law now. Other than that, it's well written. Tighter editing would be nicer. :) Well done. If you keep at this rate, your writing skill shall outgrow other bloggers. Very easily. (Especially me, because I'm sooo lazy to blog.) I think it’s no longer a bill. It’s a law now. Other than that, it’s well written. Tighter editing would be nicer. :) Well done. If you keep at this rate, your writing skill shall outgrow other bloggers. Very easily. (Especially me, because I’m sooo lazy to blog.)

]]> By: The 777 Meeting: Government Calls For Bloggers - Journal by The Lightbeamers, MD. http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6054 The 777 Meeting: Government Calls For Bloggers - Journal by The Lightbeamers, MD. Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:42:20 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6054 [...] building, Jakarta. Issues to be intensively and transparently discussed would be surrounding the UU ITE implementation, also a bit of Idiot’s Guide to Bloggers and Hackers [...] [...] building, Jakarta. Issues to be intensively and transparently discussed would be surrounding the UU ITE implementation, also a bit of Idiot’s Guide to Bloggers and Hackers [...]

]]> By: Marisa Duma http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6044 Marisa Duma Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:52:48 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6044 By the way, this week's MindBuzz is especially dedicated to Dialog Terbuka-nya RS dan para blogger teknologia. Kalau jadi. <blockquote>Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there. -- Rumi</blockquote> :mrgreen: By the way, this week’s MindBuzz is especially dedicated to Dialog Terbuka-nya RS dan para blogger teknologia. Kalau jadi.

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there. — Rumi

:mrgreen:

]]> By: treespotter http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6031 treespotter Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:58:14 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6031 i'm actually much more concerned on how the law itself affect the industry in Indonesia, sadly, very few people seem to be concerned. least of all these celebrity pundits like RS etc who floats the internet taunting moral and claiming to be speaking in behalf of people in the industry. good piece anyway. <em>treespotter's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/treespotter/~3/262876898/on-ite-law-and-indonesian-internet.html'>on the ITE Law and the Indonesian Internet Industry</a></em> i’m actually much more concerned on how the law itself affect the industry in Indonesia, sadly, very few people seem to be concerned. least of all these celebrity pundits like RS etc who floats the internet taunting moral and claiming to be speaking in behalf of people in the industry.

good piece anyway.

treespotter’s last blog post..on the ITE Law and the Indonesian Internet Industry

]]> By: Za http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6024 Za Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:54:17 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6024 hahahaha ya ya.. Okay, here's the serious comment..hmmm...thinking hard All i can say is your article, your words are great, as usual..but it is too far ahead of our time. The greater society is possible, okay, yes!..but not until ten or twenty years ahead or more, perhaps after series of real revolution.. It needs a drastic change. i mean, seriously drastic, like what indonesia had back in 1998? or 1945? 1928?.. that drastic! For now, it's still as hopeless as ever. we hate our leaders, that's the fact we can't change. This bill? blah..it's just another issue.. If there's a good thing about all of this, it's because there are actually young people in this country that are willing to speak their mind out about it. such as you and the bloggers you link to. to tell you the truth, i don't see anyone else would. Really do feel sorry about how our country is..damn, sometimes i think some people were better off born as another nationality, not as indonesians.. :( hahahaha ya ya..
Okay, here’s the serious comment..hmmm…thinking hard

All i can say is your article, your words are great, as usual..but it is too far ahead of our time.

The greater society is possible, okay, yes!..but not until ten or twenty years ahead or more, perhaps after series of real revolution..
It needs a drastic change. i mean, seriously drastic, like what indonesia had back in 1998? or 1945? 1928?.. that drastic!

For now, it’s still as hopeless as ever. we hate our leaders, that’s the fact we can’t change.

This bill? blah..it’s just another issue..
If there’s a good thing about all of this, it’s because there are actually young people in this country that are willing to speak their mind out about it. such as you and the bloggers you link to.

to tell you the truth, i don’t see anyone else would.

Really do feel sorry about how our country is..damn, sometimes i think some people were better off born as another nationality, not as indonesians.. :(

]]> By: mulia http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6015 mulia Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:01:59 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6015 agree with colson. you have blend the supporting data and your opinion very well. i am very impressed Marisa. even your background is not really in law or journalism. cool ! <em>mulia's last blog post..<a href='http://mulia.nurhasan.net/2008/03/27/feminism-for-today/'>Feminism for Today</a></em> agree with colson. you have blend the supporting data and your opinion very well. i am very impressed Marisa. even your background is not really in law or journalism. cool !

mulia’s last blog post..Feminism for Today

]]> By: colson http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6009 colson Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:04:07 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6009 I'm really impressed. A worrying development, a lengthy essay, a brilliant argument and a nuanced message. I hope you won't mind if I kind of plagiarise it (not really - I of course will mention the source). <em>colson's last blog post..<a href='http://www.pelopor.nl/2008/the-youtube-wars/'>The Youtube Wars</a></em> I’m really impressed. A worrying development, a lengthy essay, a brilliant argument and a nuanced message. I hope you won’t mind if I kind of plagiarise it (not really – I of course will mention the source).

colson’s last blog post..The Youtube Wars

]]> By: deka http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6006 deka Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:39:12 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6006 Is it wrong for me to think that "issue" would actually lead us to the decadence of our nation? Just a thought. <em>deka's last blog post..<a href='http://skinniernation.blogspot.com/2008/03/adidas-batik-materials-of-world.html'>Adidas Batik | Materials of The World : Indonesia</a></em> Is it wrong for me to think that “issue” would actually lead us to the decadence of our nation? Just a thought.

deka’s last blog post..Adidas Batik | Materials of The World : Indonesia

]]> By: therry http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6001 therry Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:40:55 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-6001 Roy Suryo is not a telecommunications expert. He is a fool and I bet he owns his personal stacks of porn hidden somewhere in his lousy den. This is just another government's plot to put the minds of people away from how corrupt they are. Ditto the banning of porn on the net or whatever it is they seem to concoct these days. Bloody eejits. Bad enough they do jack shite on trying to improve education, now they're blaming the internet as the source of everything porn and evil. Kesusilaan apa? So those DPR members who frequent the whore-house are not guilty of conduction immoral acts? How about the permits of so-called soft-porn tabloids we often see being sold at local bus stations? Who let them out in the first place? I am so sick of this country. PS: Sorry Cha, obviously not intending to fume off in your blog :P <em>therry's last blog post..<a href='http://therrysjournal.blogspot.com/2008/03/white-phony.html'>The White Phony</a></em> Roy Suryo is not a telecommunications expert. He is a fool and I bet he owns his personal stacks of porn hidden somewhere in his lousy den.

This is just another government’s plot to put the minds of people away from how corrupt they are.

Ditto the banning of porn on the net or whatever it is they seem to concoct these days.

Bloody eejits. Bad enough they do jack shite on trying to improve education, now they’re blaming the internet as the source of everything porn and evil.

Kesusilaan apa? So those DPR members who frequent the whore-house are not guilty of conduction immoral acts? How about the permits of so-called soft-porn tabloids we often see being sold at local bus stations? Who let them out in the first place?

I am so sick of this country.

PS: Sorry Cha, obviously not intending to fume off in your blog :P

therry’s last blog post..The White Phony

]]> By: LilyOfTheValley http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5999 LilyOfTheValley Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:07:47 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5999 Reminds me of a discussion we had the other day on whether the word God or Allah must be censored if stated in a discriminative one-is-less-worthy-than-the-other context. Personally, I do believe it should because such "polite" statements have been hurting us as the minority. However as a citizen of a democratic country, yes, I must learn to put aside my personal grudge.. but how about them? Have they learned anything? Blocking YouTube for one lousy movie is one example that this country's bureaucrats haven't learned sh-t. Oh well.. formal law can be tricky when it has to regulate a grey area in the society. Tough. Reminds me of a discussion we had the other day on whether the word God or Allah must be censored if stated in a discriminative one-is-less-worthy-than-the-other context. Personally, I do believe it should because such “polite” statements have been hurting us as the minority. However as a citizen of a democratic country, yes, I must learn to put aside my personal grudge.. but how about them? Have they learned anything? Blocking YouTube for one lousy movie is one example that this country’s bureaucrats haven’t learned sh-t.

Oh well.. formal law can be tricky when it has to regulate a grey area in the society. Tough.

]]> By: Ryuzuke http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5996 Ryuzuke Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:48:22 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5996 Using the word "Sistem Elektronika" or Electronic system... Are TV, radio, and cellphone include on it...?? Coz they're using electronic system too... that's a big question for me, if that include.... so... what the difference with shut our speech up? oohh.. what a poor country... makes me sick to live in this country..!! Using the word “Sistem Elektronika” or Electronic system…
Are TV, radio, and cellphone include on it…?? Coz they’re using electronic system too… that’s a big question for me, if that include…. so… what the difference with shut our speech up?

oohh.. what a poor country… makes me sick to live in this country..!!

]]> By: sora9n http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5995 sora9n Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:30:58 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5995 <blockquote>For instance, if the government approves the blocking of YouTube, then it wouldn’t be much of a shock to find CNN, BBC, National Geographic, StumbleUpon, WordPress, or even Facebook next in line. Eventhough bloggers have the technical abilities that position them as producer, distributor, and/or consumers of such contents, UU ITE obviously will not affect bloggers alone.</blockquote> That's almost everything. I myself wonder if what happened few months back in Turkey -- as I wrote in my post -- may occur here in the future. I agree that free-speech must be governed by moral conducts, e.g. anti-defamatory spirit and sort. However the boundary is much too blurry-stated in <i>pasal</i> 27 (3) and 28 (2)... biased interpretation may occur here. And that's what I see unsettling -- let alone Suharto v. Time and Republik Mimpi case. :( <em>sora9n's last blog post..<a href='http://sora9n.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/uu-ite-pasal-karet-yang-tak-diekspos/'>UU ITE: Pasal Karet yang tak diekspos?</a></em>

For instance, if the government approves the blocking of YouTube, then it wouldn’t be much of a shock to find CNN, BBC, National Geographic, StumbleUpon, WordPress, or even Facebook next in line. Eventhough bloggers have the technical abilities that position them as producer, distributor, and/or consumers of such contents, UU ITE obviously will not affect bloggers alone.

That’s almost everything. I myself wonder if what happened few months back in Turkey — as I wrote in my post — may occur here in the future.

I agree that free-speech must be governed by moral conducts, e.g. anti-defamatory spirit and sort. However the boundary is much too blurry-stated in pasal 27 (3) and 28 (2)… biased interpretation may occur here. And that’s what I see unsettling — let alone Suharto v. Time and Republik Mimpi case. :(

sora9n’s last blog post..UU ITE: Pasal Karet yang tak diekspos?

]]> By: » Undang-undang Informasi dan Transaksi Elektronik (UUITE) IMA-G BERSATOE: Satu untuk Semua. Semua untuk Satu. http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5992 » Undang-undang Informasi dan Transaksi Elektronik (UUITE) IMA-G BERSATOE: Satu untuk Semua. Semua untuk Satu. Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:12:51 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5992 [...] : Kapan Lagi, Artikel Marisa Duma, dan berbagai sumber dari [...] [...] : Kapan Lagi, Artikel Marisa Duma, dan berbagai sumber dari [...]

]]> By: reedler http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5987 reedler Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:47:54 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5987 This part here sounds ambiguous :) <blockquote> Muatan penghinaan dan/atau pencemaran nama baik </blockquote> The one part that I disagree most :) <em>reedler's last blog post..<a href='http://reedler.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/dear-bobbie-yellowcard/'>Dear Bobbie - Yellowcard</a></em> This part here sounds ambiguous :)

Muatan penghinaan dan/atau pencemaran nama baik

The one part that I disagree most :)

reedler’s last blog post..Dear Bobbie – Yellowcard

]]> By: Nenda Fadhilah http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5986 Nenda Fadhilah Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:43:19 +0000 http://journal.marisaduma.net/2008/03/31/uu-ite-the-crime-v-the-law-v-the-rights-v-the-crime/#comment-5986 Free speech has its own limit however I'm afraid, the 'real world' doesn't understand cyberworld's limitation. <em>Nenda Fadhilah's last blog post..<a href='http://aruta.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/analisis-hukum-sensor-di-internet-indonesia/'>Analisis Hukum Sensor di Internet Indonesia</a></em> Free speech has its own limit however I’m afraid, the ‘real world’ doesn’t understand cyberworld’s limitation.

Nenda Fadhilah’s last blog post..Analisis Hukum Sensor di Internet Indonesia

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